TiVo blogging the Pennsylvania debate
So, on to the latest bout between the elitist and the brave, impoverished woman of the people, hosted tonight by Charles Gibson and George Stephanopoulos of ABC News. I'll be looking for any hints about other countries Stephanopoulos can't distinguish between.
Charles notes that he and George will be "lenient" about time rules, but not "permissive". As the rabbi said, if you ask, the answer will be "it is forbidden."
Obama starts with a riff on his bit about why Joe Sixpack is too alienated and moronic to vote in his own economic interests instead of for Republicans who would enslave him. He puts it more diplomatically, of course.
Hillary has some platitudes. Was I paying attention? Not really. Her boring remarks afford me a prime opportunity to finish any typing I may have been doing when she began speaking.
Hillary has a nice normal outfit on in a nice shade of greyish teal.
Charles asks about that dumb "dream ticket either way" idea that Mario Cuomo floated. Why would either one want the other as a running mate? To his credit, Cuomo had a much easier time deciding how to resolve this contest than deciding whether he even wanted to run for President.
Charles is a f***ing idiot. He cites Article II, Section 1: "In every case, after the choice of the President, the person having the greatest number of votes of the electors shall be the Vice President." He says "if it was good enough in colonial [sic] times, why not in these times?" Um, because we don't want McCain to be the Vice President. Of course, Hillary has not corrected him. And, really, "colonial times"? Like, when George Washington was the colonial President? Is this the best our news media can do?
Now Obama is having to make his point again about Joe Sixpack being alienated. Come on, Barack—call it "false consciousness." It was good enough for Marx.
Hillary is the granddaughter of a factory worker from Scranton, who worked six days a week in the lace factory under intermittant sniper fire. There are no atheists in foxholes. She can see why people "would be taken aback and offended by the remarks"—especially if that will help her cling to her DOA candidacy for a few more fortnights.
George asks Hillary for a simple yes or no on whether Obama can beat McCain. She ignores the question. Finally says he can win but she "can do a better job." How do you do a better job of winning?
Obama says he's a man of faith and a lover of sportsmen and gun owners. But God and guns won't pay the bills. He brings up Hillary's "baking cookies" remark and the crap she took from it, and how she learned the wrong lesson from it. I'd like to see what Obama would do if his advisers took the wraps off and told him to go ahead and rip her a new asshole. My guess is that she would have several new, fully functional assholes. Just a hunch.
Hillary has a passion for empowering people . . . (people named Clinton).
Can we give the Jeremiah Wright business a permanent rest? I'm not convinced a white candidate would be needing to take this crap. Hillary pretends to be taking the high road . . . and has the gall to say that the [9/11] attack "happened in my city of New York" (forgetting that (a) it's not her city and (b) suburban Washington is more of her city, and there was an attack there too).
God, they are still talking about Wright and that stupid church. Who cares? Uh oh, he just said Wright is a "former" Marine. Even I know there are no "former" Marines. He just lost the 1% of the Marine vote he was counting on.
Man, Hillary won't let this go. If Rev. Wright were a young child blocking Hillary's route to a lifeboat, I would hope that young child could at least have a merciful death in the icy waters below.
Now she's been asked about Bosnia. She will either "get more sleep" or travel everywhere with an amanuensis who will remind her of what the truth is about her former travels (I'm only sort of twisting what she said. She did kind of say that.)
A voter from the glass-lined tanks of Latrobe, Pennsylvania wants to know if Obama "believes in the American flag." Answer: he reveres the American flag.
Now Obama is asked about some other unpatriotic person he knows. Does he agree with the guy? No. Does he agree with his friend Sen. Tom Coburn? No. No one is asking Hillary about her pal Denise Rich, or Marc Rich. Oh, but she's making the "fully vetted" argument again. Obama notes that Bill Clinton actually pardoned Weather Underground members.
Discussion of Iraq. Discussion of other foreign policy matters. Obama is not well prepared to answer how we would treat an Iranian nuclear attack on Israel. His internal computer tells him that there is a formulation he is supposed to recite, but he's not sure what it is. Hillary says an Iranian nuclear attack on Israel would trigger massive retaliation from the U.S. I doubt that is current U.S. policy. Something tells me Israel could take care of itself.
Hillary pledges no middle-class tax increases. Obama would lower some tax burdens on the middle class.
Well, sorry, that's as far as I got. I guess you'll have to speculate about who won.. Maybe Hillary scored a knockout blow and that party of mine will never happen. See what happens when you rely on blogs instead of legitimate news outlets?
Labels: 2008 presidential campaign, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton
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